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Women leaders no longer a rarity in today's Navy

Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the "underway checklist" prior to leaving Pier 4 at Naval Station San Diego.
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
A sailor watches from the port bridge-wing as a crane prepares to remove the "brow" -- the walkway connecting the ship to the pier.
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
The "Sea and Anchor Detail" onboard USS Decatur, a San Diego-based warship, as she leaves port on deployment.
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
As the Executive Officer of USS Decatur, Commander Mary Katey Hays mentors the other officers onboard the ship. Here, she talks to a new Ensign about his job in getting the ship underway for deployment.
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
The Conning Officer scans the channel ahead of USS Decatur as she makes her way to the sea.
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
The old and the new. Here the USS Decatur's navigator uses an electronic chart to give his course recommendations as the ship makes its way through Coronado Bay, but he writes the information down on a laminated board using a grease pen.
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
A paper chart of Coronado Bay, with landmarks clearly noted for ease of use as USS Decatur makes her way to the sea.
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
As the "sponsor" of USS Decatur, Joan Shalikashvili (in green) has been with the ship since it was commissioned approximately 16 years ago. Today she rode the ship through to the breakwater as Decatur deployed for Asia. Mrs. Shalikashvili is the widow of the late General John Shalikashvili, who was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the time the ship was commissioned.
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
The Commanding Officer of USS Decatur (seated) gets an update about the ship's status from his Executive Officer, Cdr. Mary Katey Hays.
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
San Diego begins to recede as USS Decatur backs out of her berth and turns her bow into the channel.
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
Family members gather at the end of Pier 4 at Naval Station San Diego as their loved ones onboard USS Decatur leave on deployment.
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
Commander Mary Katey Hays scans the channel astern of USS Decatur to ensure the ship won't collide with any other vessels as the ship backs out of her berth.
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
Commander Mary Katey Hays, USS Decatur's Executive Officer -- or "XO."
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
Signal flags flying onboard USS Decatur as the ship leaves on deployment.
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
The Conning Officer speaks into a sound-powered phone, giving rudder and engine orders that will guide the USS Decatur out of her berth and out to the open ocean.
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
A member of USS Decatur's security team watches as the ship gets underway from Pier 4 at Naval Station San Diego.
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
A sailor onboard USS Decatur hoists signal flags as the ship gets underway from Naval Station San Diego.
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
After updating the ship's captain, USS Decatur's executive officer turns back to the pilothouse to check on the ship's readiness to get underway.
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
Cdr. Mary Katey Hays offers guidance to her Officer of the Deck and Junior Officer of the Deck as they run through final checks of the ship's readiness to get underway.
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
A placard mounted to a bulkhead displays the USS Decatur's command philosophy for all hands to see. When the ship returns from deployment in November, Cdr. Mary Katey Hays will take command and issue her own command guidance.
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
A newly-painted mural on USS Decatur's fo'c'sle says "One Team - One Fight."
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
Commander Mary Katey Hays on the fo'c'sle of USS Decatur a day before the ship deploys.
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
Sailors onboard USS Decatur look on as the ship leaves on deployment.
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
A security team member (left) and his M240 medium machine gun (center-left) are readied while a lookout (in white) looks on.
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
Sea lions sunning themselves on channel marker Buoy #9 in San Diego as USS Decatur passes by.
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
Sailors on the fantail of USS Decatur looking ahead as Point Loma recedes in the distance. Their next port call will be Pearl Harbor, Hawaii.
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Cdr. Mary Katey Hays (right) listens as the Officer of the Deck and the Junior Officer of the Deck run through the
USS Spruance (DDG-111) steams astern of the Decatur. Together, they are two ships of a three ship "surface action group" that will patrol the Pacific Ocean around Asia during a 7-month deployment.
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When the Navy guided missile destroyer USS Decatur left San Diego last month for a seven-month deployment, it featured something that would be unusual in the Army or Marines: three women leading a combat unit.

Commander Mary Katey Hays is the ship's Executive Officer or "XO"—the second in command. Reporting to her that morning were Lieutenant Laura Baumgartner and Lieutenant Anna Douglas. Baumgartner is the Officer of the Deck, and like Lieutenant Douglas, is a qualified Surface Warfare Officer.

While the Army and Marine Corps are only now opening their largest contingent of combat jobs to women, the Navy has allowed women to serve on warships for about twenty years. And it's becoming more common for female officers to command the heavily-armed vessels.

"There's an increased number of women joining the Navy," Hays said, noting that about 20 percent of her ship's crew is female.

"People have mentored me and given me direction and helped me, and it didn’t really seem to matter if I was a guy or a girl," Hays said. "They wanted me to learn, and I wanted to learn."

Women in the Navy are also commanding aircraft carrier strike groups as one- and two-star admirals. And for the first time, a female officer, Vice Adm. Nora Tyson , has taken command of one of the Navy's six "numbered" surface fleets. Tyson's in charge of the Third Fleet, which operates in the Pacific.

"Right place at the right time"

Those modern day female leaders are following in the footsteps of people like retired Navy Captain Bobbie Scholley.

When Scholley joined in 1981, women weren't allowed to serve on warships. They also couldn't fly fighters or attack jets, and they couldn't serve on submarines or SEAL Teams. So Scholley was assigned to an "auxiliary"—or "support"— ship called a "submarine tender" in Charleston, S.C.

To make repairs on subs below the waterline, the ship had its own contingent of deep-sea divers. When the officer in charge of the dive team retired, there was no replacement aboard, so Scholley raised her hand and volunteered.

"I was in the right place at the right time," Scholley remembers. "I was able to convince the Executive Officer onboard that he needed to send me to Dive School."

It was a bold move for both Scholley and her chain of command. At the time she began training, only a handful of women had ever graduated.

Scholley graduated and earned the coveted Navy Diving Officer insignia, going on to a distinguished career as a Navy Special Operations officer. Among her accomplishments: she led a unit that helped salvage the Civil War ironclad USS Monitor off the North Carolina coast in 2002.

In order to become a diver, Scholley had to pass a physical fitness test that is all but identical to the one SEAL candidates need to pass. But solely because of her gender, being a "frogman" wasn't an option.

All that has now changed.

"It’s just incredible the differences that women were allowed to do from the time I came in the Navy in 1981 until I retired in 2005," Scholley said.

Scholley now is following the controversy over recent Pentagon decisions that for the first time allow women into the Army and Marine Corps infantry.

When she hears skeptics question whether gender-integrated units can perform as well in combat as all-male units, Scholley shakes her head.

"I just have to chuckle that these arguments didn’t hold any water back then, and I’m pretty sure they’re not going to hold any argument today," she said.

Loaded with Tomahawks, headed out to sea

That April morning, families of the USS Decatur's crew packed the pier to wave goodbye. Civilian workers in hardhats disconnected power lines and used cranes to pull the walkway that connected Decatur to the pier. Inside the ship, the crew was busy lighting off gas-turbine engines, manning radar scopes, and getting ready to cast off the lines keeping the ship moored.

In the pilothouse, Commander Hays quietly ensured the ship was ready to leave on time. Together, Baumgartner and Douglas drove the ship through the channel and safely out to sea.

Once the ship cleared the last buoy, Decatur headed for its first port call: Pearl Harbor in Oahu. Afterwards, it will keep steaming west to patrol the Pacific and carry out exercises with allied navies. The ship is loaded with Tomahawk cruise missiles and other weapons, ready for a fight if called upon.

One person who’s seen Decatur change through the years is Joan Shalikashvili, whose late husband John was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the mid 1990s.

She’s the ship’s sponsor—meaning she’s the one who broke the bottle of champagne over the bow when Decatur was christened—and she's followed the ship closely ever since.

"I don’t even think twice about it," Shalikashvili says of having a women in charge.

Hays didn’t think twice about it either. Once the Decatur returns home, Hays is scheduled to move up from her position as second-in-command and become the ship's commanding officer.

She said she didn’t start out wanting to command a destroyer, but from her very first tour she found herself looking one step ahead.

"The first thought I had wasn't, 'Oh, I want to be the captain of a ship,'" Hays said. Instead, "it was looking at the job that my bosses did and asking myself, ‘Do you think you’re capable of that job? Do you think you’d like to do that job?'"

"And the answer has been 'yes.'"

This story was produced by the American Homefront Project — a collaboration of North Carolina Public Radio-WUNC, Southern California Public Radio, and KUOW-Seattle.